George Kamel talks about his passion for finding money-saving hacks, discussing how he maintained his frugal mindset even as his financial situation has improved, sharing insights on managing expenses and indulging in small conveniences. The conversation also touches on financial conversations in marriage and creative return hacks for shopping.

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